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Guardian
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written Sunday, July 27 2003 21:12
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Before you vote read the first amendment... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" Poll Information This poll contains 1 question(s). 31 user(s) have voted. You may not view the results of this poll without voting. function launch_voter () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=vote;pollid=JeZVOPeaTWBw"); return true; } // end launch_voter function launch_viewer () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=view;pollid=JeZVOPeaTWBw"); return true; } // end launch_viewer function launch_window (url) { preview = window.open( url, "preview", "width=550,height=300,toolbar=no,location=no,directories=no,status,menubar=no,scrollbars,resizable,copyhistory=no" ); window.preview.focus(); return preview; } // end launch_window  [/url]  [/url]Posts: 1918 | Registered: Sunday, October 13 2002 07:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Sunday, July 27 2003 22:22
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You silly fool. The Constitution is only a going concern when it stops bad people. -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Master Jeweller
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written Monday, July 28 2003 02:42
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I fail to see the relevance of the constitution here. The more relevant issues are 1) does it stand up to public opinion, and 2) does it generate money. -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00 |
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Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Monday, July 28 2003 04:59
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It's also a question of morality, you know... -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. Incaseofemergency,breakglass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, July 28 2003 05:27
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I always found US TV ridiculously prissy about nudity as well as swearing, and understand this is mainly down to the advertisers still living in the 1950s or whatever. Still, I didn't vote in the poll because although I generally oppose censorship, I think cultural remedies are more effective than legal ones in the long term. Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Monday, July 28 2003 06:34
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I personally are against The FCC, and I am going to write a book called Wars with The FCC. But if you watch Modern day American Movies you will notice that Censorship has gone out the window. I mean if you watch a R rated movie there is all sorts of swearing and sex. So I think that Censorship has been replaced by the ratings code, and The FCC is merly a ratings systom. Which I am glade, because back in the 1950's people couldn't even sleep in the same bed on T.V. It was riduclusly funny, watch a old T.V show, the worse they say is Darn. However when the 1970's rolled around Censorship went out the window on T.V, and they crossed the boarder with censorship in movies in the 60's. I think what happend was with Vietnam, The war on Drugs and everything else people said,"Our world is not Idle, so why try to make it look that way on T.V and Movies". And the American Entertainment Industry was changed forever, even books where changed. There was a time when If a book had the f word in it it would not be published, because it didn't follow the rules of our society. My how times have changed. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
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BANNED
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written Monday, July 28 2003 07:27
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quote:I'd rather have a constitutionally-guaranteed right to speech and press, rather than a democratically-generated oppression. When someone says that they oppose the constitution, it will rarely be focussed only on what the document is about. If you go by the text alone, it really does contain some heavy libertarian advances, and isn't overly-capitalist on face value. Of course, it also doesn't guarantee that greedy, ultra-Republicrats will burn it, piss on the ashes, and bury it in a hole somewhere. -------------------- We're all amazed but not amused By all the things that you said you'd do. You're much concerned but not involved by Decisions that are made by you But we are sick and tired of hearing your song, Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong, 'Cause if you really want to hear our views, You haven't done nothin'. Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, July 28 2003 07:53
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The FCC regulates airway broadcasts first and foremost. Their job is to insure that the limmited amount of airspace on am and fm are used in the best way. Major urban areas face leakage issues, where multiple stations can play on to close a band, interfering with other stations. The FCC was formed to keep this from happening, and controls broadcasting permits to keep radio viable. They have been given broad defination to control what is defined as in the publics best interest, perhaps too much. I agree that the asinane decisions the make can harp on my speech, but only my word choice, not my message. Swearing is not necessarly a right I have on air. Swearing also offends often the customers of the radio and televison stations. And finally, TV and Radio are companies. Corporate free speech is an oxymoron, and the supreme court has ruled that corporations do not have the same free speech rights as people, and thus can be more restricted then individuals. And TM, the Constitution lets people make there money, it isn't anti-buiness, it's really quite pro buiness, but pro-individual run buinesses. And I remind you that more than a few leftist have pissed on the constitution too. It's more of a problem that many groups like selective viewing of it, like some 1st amendment groups I know and some 2nd amendment groups I know. -------------------- I am not really here. Posts: 956 | Registered: Wednesday, January 16 2002 08:00 |
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BANNED
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written Monday, July 28 2003 08:43
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The constitution may not be anti-business, but it certainly isn't anti-Union, and its ammendability shows that progressive changes aren't completely impossible. And hey, if we get enough red-flying, flag-burning bastards in congress, then we can ammend it to outlawing Capitalism.  I wholeheartedly disagree with swearing not being a viable right on the air. Of course, I also wholeheartedly disagree with privately-owned media, so take that as you will. My first response was towards the first ammendment and constitution in general, not the FCC. -------------------- We're all amazed but not amused By all the things that you said you'd do. You're much concerned but not involved by Decisions that are made by you But we are sick and tired of hearing your song, Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong, 'Cause if you really want to hear our views, You haven't done nothin'. Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Tuesday, July 29 2003 11:23
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Can someone explain to me what the Federal Communication Commisions purpose is, without giving me a headache. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Tuesday, July 29 2003 12:28
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The regulate all sorts of things. such a which tv and radio stations get to broadcast on which frequencies and which words you can and can't say. I don't have any problem with anything they do except for the controlling of what you can and can't say on TV and radio(although I do find it odd that on the back of my radio is says "This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules, operation is subjectio to the following 2 conditions: 1, this device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device myst accept any interference recieved, including interference that may cause undesired operation") Posts: 1918 | Registered: Sunday, October 13 2002 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Wednesday, July 30 2003 15:20
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That makes no sense. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 11:02
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Is the FCC directly under the authority of congress? I thought it was a part of the Executive branch. like it or not, the issue is public opinion. The supreme court's final decision regarding pornography v art was that the citizens of a certain area must decide. same with hard drinks, each county votes. Arkansas and other 'Bible Belt States' don't sell beer on Sundays. The airwaves have to be different, though b/c they travel farther than the local area, so as the entire nation becomes less strict, the FCC allows looser controls. So basically do you *&^%@#$@%*& like $%%#^%@#$#^ profanity? -------------------- Tip of the Day: #13 Stand clear the closing door. That's treason. (THNIK)(Peculiar James, FP productions co, inc) Posts: 816 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 11:13
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thank god the fcc doesn't exist in the uk! i think american tv is a bit over the top with censorship. (don't worry, we do have censorship here, just not so bad) -------------------- ~ørangutan I want high-bit characters in my displayed name!!! :( :( :( (Or at least an exclamtion point!) Eat pie! BADGER! Posts: 316 | Registered: Saturday, May 25 2002 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 11:20
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In a country with an offical secrets act? The US has most of its censorship imposed on the ad level. Companies don't want certain images. The FCC can only effect broadcast anyway, with Cable it's industry rules that come into play. With Cable now kicking butt, the material is much freer there, with ads still being the main concern. -------------------- I am not really here. Posts: 956 | Registered: Wednesday, January 16 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 23:35
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The way I see it, the essense of the 1rst amendment is to permit me and others to say whatever the hell we want to. The only exception would be a forum website, such as this one, where it is a family orientated sight that seems to have a lot of people under the age of 18 on it. I personally want to say a few 4 letter words here, but the site rules won't let me. And that's okay for 2 closely related reasons. 1rst freedom of speach technically doesn't included text. And 2nd, this site is international and therefor isn't bound by US law in any way. But there is one thing that I draw the line on and that's not being aloud use profanity when I'm speaking. I will use the 4 letter words and their oppressed siblings. And there's nothing the criminal FCC can do about Posts: 1918 | Registered: Sunday, October 13 2002 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, August 1 2003 02:32
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quote:So what's the point of it, then? BTW, I agree that the Official Secrets Act should be repealed in UK, not least because the threat of its use against mainstream media--the so-called D Notice system--has a chilling effect that turns journalists (typically never a brave, dedicated or commited bunch in the first place) into official briefing fodder. Conveniently titled 'anti-terrorist' legislation augments this, making it even easier for politicians to evade responsibility for gross corruption and scientists for murderous 'defence'-related research. For those that do want to earn their pay, the US FOIA is often an invaluable 'back door'. I agree about cable, but still think the bar is set too high in terms of mainstream US broadcasting. In Europe, it's regarded as laughably puritanical. Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Friday, August 1 2003 04:57
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quote:While we're discussing constitutional law, it's worth mentioning that the constitutional right to freedom of assembly is interpreted (among other things) as allowing people to choose who to assemble with. Thus, since Jeff Vogel owns the forum, he gets to choose how it's run. That would be the case whether this were an internet forum, a private club or whatever. (This is the same right which allows the Boy Scouts to exclude atheists and homosexuals, for example.) -------------------- I believe there are 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 105 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons. -- Sir Arthur Eddington Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, August 3 2003 01:52
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quote:Excuse an ignorant Aussie chipping in here ... but I understood the first amendment was about the right to express an opinion, not about the right to use profanity. I thought that 'Free speech' was about the right to express your point of view, not about the choice of words you use to express that point of view. I don't mind the occasional profanity, heck I use them myself now and then. But I find it boring to listen to people who use a certain 4-letter word several times in each sentence. To me it indicates a limited vocabulary. -------------------- We meet and part now over all the world; we, the lost company, take hands together in the night, forget the night in our brief happiness, silently. -- Judith Wright My website Posts: 512 | Registered: Wednesday, February 12 2003 08:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Sunday, August 3 2003 02:10
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Yeah, but it's not the right of the government to forcibly prohibit them from using four-letter words. -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Sunday, August 3 2003 14:23
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Exactly. Besides, I to find people who use profanity for every other word they say to a bit idiotic anyway(and most of them turn out to not be worth my time anyway). Posts: 1918 | Registered: Sunday, October 13 2002 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Sunday, August 3 2003 14:52
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What the government is allowed to do is to decide the limited bandwith would be better served by those who don't cuss, as they serve more of the public good. -------------------- I am not really here. Posts: 956 | Registered: Wednesday, January 16 2002 08:00 |
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Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Sunday, August 3 2003 17:22
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Well-put, Kyna. Very nicely put. Not only is cursing offensive to many people, but it is also quite useless; I find that if you can't say something without cursing, then it's not worth listening to anyway. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. Incaseofemergency,breakglass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Sunday, August 3 2003 18:06
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What makes profanity less valuable than non-profanity? Profanity can sometimes add a little flavor to what would normally be bland. That and it adds realism, since who actually says things like "How the freak should I know" and "Answer the flippin question"? Also, it's already been proven that there's no way the government can regulate morality without taking away our freedoms... Controlling the language used by the people is just another way for the government to control the people themselves. So, already they've started to take away our rights and freedoms to try to control us. I don't know about you, but I personally don't want to be a mindless sheep. To the sheep: Hey while we're throwing away our freedom of speach, let's let the governement put video cams in our homes and software on our comps that monitor every single thing we do. [ Sunday, August 03, 2003 18:11: Message edited by: Cherub Rock ] Posts: 1918 | Registered: Sunday, October 13 2002 07:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Sunday, August 3 2003 22:57
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quote:What on earth would be wrong with that? If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. -------------------- I believe there are 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 105 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons. -- Sir Arthur Eddington Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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